Shortage of shifters

[walterzmeow]

I'm seeking ideas for (dare i say unique) shifter builds that are waiting to be realized... and none of those god-aweful kobold/dragon/risen builds please. yes, they are clearly the best shapes when it comes to shifters, but i like wandering off the beaten path.

so far i've completed: epic drider, spectre, and dire bear shapes that each is effective in a specific role. i have an illithid in the works, so that shape is out as well.

the key with shifters (to me at any rate) is that they will never be as versatile as a regular character. however, each shape has certain advantages that can be capitalized. for example - drider has darkness which can be spammed for sneaks (unlike HiPS) ; spectre is KD immune making it the ultimate flagger ; etc....

i'm more interested in effective niche characters than versatile half-breeds. in addition, if you have a few minutes try to map out a basic character chart for me so i can see what purpose the shape would have.

Thanx guys

[ILikeKillAndYou]

Spectre :
ultimate flagger ;p? Undeath to death and hes gones. Also after 3 flag hes useless.

I though of a build once 5 druid 10 shifter 25 sorc based on damage shield with the spectre but that was too lame and people will simply not bash it.

Dridder :
Have a limited darkness of 1+1/5 shifter level ;s also wand of UV cost 4000 gp? If i remember well.

Anyway if you something fun and original as shifter..
Assassin ilithid (They have +8 int bonus)
Stone golem rock thrower 5 druid 11 shifter 24 DD (its based on character levle not shifter level)
Ranger minotaure : 73-78 AC high damage, all merge + stealth.
Dragon breather : 6 barbarian 5 druid 29 shifter (breath is druid +shifter level -4)/3)*2*d8 (lightning) or *d10 (fire)

Mostly all of the other shape i have no idea. I hope that open you some "use".

You should check for a support shifter character such. 5 druid 7 shifter 28 bard kobold, based on song for buff ally.

I have only 4 shifter that is... paladin kobold, blackguard kobold, ranger kobold and DC HIPSer dragon, average of 70-100 per hit by sneak.

If i remember well there a harpy build with 74 ac and 56 ab, i think its a ranger one.

[Soapminer]

How are the paladin and blackguard kobolds?

[Stallion]

Evil and deserving of bullets to the forehead. Hehe. Not really, but they are pretty wicked. The pally one is less so now that HS isn't ridiculously uber, but it tends to get better AB than the BG one.

[ILikeKillAndYou]

My blackguard kobold have 54 ab, but 80 damage a hit since hes cha based with 1d8 positive damage +17 divine damage +1d8 negative damage. As a 5 duid 19 shifter 16 blackguard, he can taunt and hips... that mostly of it. He fairly fun to play, main problem is the low output of move silently. The MAIN advantage of the blackguard version is that you don't loose your permanent h/s on your blade if you unshift. So you can unshape, and reshape for gain back the 70 temporary HP, making your character a little more HP before each fight. Do not forgot smite ;p that really help a lot +17 ab ;p

THe paladin one is STR based with 63 AB, around 60-70 a hit (No bg sneak here). More HP and as well have cha, but its like 6-8 divine damage, buff doesn't last that long (18 paladin/5druid/17 shifter). And well people really dispel you fast that drop your AB by 5. You could try a STR based as a 5druid/7shifter/28 paladin, might be a less strong but will last really longer.

[Arakasi]

How would a con focused, minimum druid/shifter/max monk, with epic will, armor skin and then maxed bonus con, go as a spectre flagger? Maybe throw in some epic damage resists, and never give a second thought to fighting abilities post-epic.

[Stallion]

Been done. Annoying. Almost useless in any other capacity. Doesn't do as well as other flaggers.

[Farlen]

how about this, druid monk shifter, uses dire tiger shape has bane is DEX based....not sure how it would be done but i imagine something like 10 or so shifter, idk when do you get dire tiger form like 20 monk and a few druid would be a fast tiger that can sneak and stun with fist and would be a different type of build xD (very unique like the badger smiter) anyway thats my 2 cents

[Gonny]

Won't work. Dire tiger shape has capped STR capped DEX and capper CON. Damage is awfull, AB is even more awfull and HP is le crap.

[Tweek]

I'd had the idea to make a death-attack based dire tiger, but it's ab just came out too poorly.

[Gonny]

I'd had the idea to make a death-attack based dire tiger, but it's ab just came out too poorly.

Ilithid shape assasin is the way to go! Ilithid boost to INT Is incredibly usefull

[NathDawgCrazy88's]

kobold ends out better though, as always moar dc ab ac and so on

[Gonny]

hmmm...just by using the ilithyd form, you raise yur dc in 4...

[walterzmeow]

sadly, 90% of the shapes just aren't feasible as a competetive PvP build. many can be built half ok, but they will be doomed to fail against anything but a 'newbie'. it just isn't worth it.

the suggestion of a bard/shape support character seems do-able but you'll certainly never pwn anything in a fight. i've got a build for a stunning fist earth elemental (or bear) but the ac on it is truly sad.

i found the spectre capper works best with shadowdancer (dex/stealth based) for hips and epic dodge.

[Gonny]

I had a dire bear build that could pwn nearly any melee. High Hp, High damage, dc 43 stun fist, and 52 ab or so. it was a lulz.

i disagree. not 90% are fail for pvp, let me name a few that can work really good. In brackets those that are just semi-good.

Wyrmling.
Minotaur
(drider)
Kobold
Lizarfolk
Drow
(Vampire)
Risen
Iron golem
Dragon....

that's for pvp. Other shapes with other uses though.

[Stallion]

You forgot manticore.

[walterzmeow]

seriously? i've yet to see a Wyrmling, Drider, Lizardfolk, Vampire, or Iron golem that is anything more than a novelty build. i hardly consider myself to be amongst the best builders at AW, but the truth is if any of the shapes mentioned could be built anywhere near as effective as the dreaded kobold and risen shapes you would see them played more. and you don't... but if you say they can be made then i'd love to see you prove it when the server gets up again.

[Stallion]

Correction: If any of the above were as easy to make correctly as the dreaded kobold and risen shapes, you'd see more of them. Although I would personally discount Iron Golem and Drider shapes.

[Gonny]

My iron golem has 700hp, 52 ab, inmune to crits, 90 spot, 1-20+11+2d6+6 damage (against fav enemies), 90hide and 70+ ms, with KD, stunfist dc 43/44 and called shot to break those Edodgers.

Scratch it?....nah.

[Lamir]

My iron golem has 700hp, 52 ab, inmune to crits, 90 spot, 1-20+11+2d6+6 damage (against fav enemies), 90hide and 70+ ms, with KD, stunfist dc 43/44 and called shot to break those Edodgers.

Scratch it?....nah.

Heheh...

and what might its AC be?

[Gonny]

Sucky. Too sucky to even be mentioned. like...30 or 40.

[X_Metal_X]

Hi all.

I've been looking for the limited stats of the different shifter shapes in the forum, but I didn't find it.


Could anyone explain me the capped stats of some shapes? For example, minotaurs?

I wanna make a mino-build but when I went to my test mod I saw it has all physical stats capped, then I tryed the kobold shape and had also str limited o.O so that means on Antiworld there are different limited stats for some shapes. Am I right?

If it is so, please tell me >.<

Someone told me that minotaurs has not the dex limited.

Byez.

[Sephtis]

Wiki it .

[Lamir]

The shifter guide on GameFAQs has probably the most extensive compiled shifter advice, stats, etc. on the web....it's very useful if the wiki doesn't tell you what you are looking for (though generally this isn't the case)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin ... 3552/27914